In what ways might one compare or contrast Thrasymachus' example of shepherding with other "crafts" such as terrorist, assassin, or thief (they might even have their own guild!)? That, strictly, they are still all open to a Socratic craft analysis Why one might become such a craftsman is external to and quite separate from the norms and standards of excellent internal to the craft itself That they all victimize their subjects-sheep, the public at large, politicians, and those with property-for their own selfish benefit That they all have in common that it's a living How one might evaluate the worth of the craft itself is altogether a different issue from what it is to be good at your craft